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Best wishes, Catherine Munro


Hi, I'm Wendy, a helper with wikia. I stopped by and noticed your comments about copying from wikipedia. I had two suggestions: 1) if you click "edit this page" on wikipedia, you can copy the wiki-marked code directly. This will leave a lot of redlinks, and require some fiddling on this end, but keeps the sections and everything in the right places. It also keeps all the references and external links intact. 2) There's a template Template:Wikipedia, which you can use to indicate you copied the text from wikipedia. Just type {{wikipedia}} at the bottom of each page. If the article on wikipedia has a different name, try typing {{wikipedia|wparticletitle}}.

I hope that helps, and if you have any question about anything please leave a message on my talk page! -- Wendy (talk) 01:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, copying from wikipedia is a great way to get things started. I often find I want to break up their long articles into shorter ones, given the larger "space" of the wiki, but that's after I get all the info in one spot :).
The images on wikipedia are on their servers; in order to see an image on this wiki you have to upload it here. If you click an image on wikipedia, you'll go to a page with just the image, and you can then save the image on your computer (right click on most computers will bring up a menu with this option). Then go to the Special:Upload (which is also in the toolbox on the left as "Upload image") and upload the image to this wiki. Then you can link to the image with [[Image:Yourimage.jpg|frame]] in your articles or follow the instructions on the editing page for inserting an image. This can get tedious for lots of images, so I try to get one per article and then expand out as needed. You can also find images elsewhere on the web, save them, and upload them. Or best of all, since you say you repair machines, you can take your own images and upload them if you like.
In terms of organization, there are a number of ways to make tables. For example, table example has a fairly standard wiki table which you can customize to have any number of columns or type of information. Or you can make templates, such as template table example if you meant neatly boxed lists of related links, or Template:Infobox can be used to make a simple table. Which style were you looking for? -- Wendy (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

wikipedia referencing

Hey there, I'm PanSola, another Wikia helper (-:

I just want to let you know that, when you take text from Wikipedia, in addition to mentioning them in the edit summary and/or have a line in the article saying "from Wikipedia", it'd be safest to do a full attribution using {{Wikipedia}}. You can see one example at Soilmec, where I've done an example.

I'm glad to see you getting your wiki jumpstarted using Wikipedia. Keep up the good work, and let me know if you have any questions! -User:PanSola(talk/history) 02:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi Bulldozer! I'm Shawn, a Wikia Hobbies Helper. I just wanted to drop a quick note to say how impressed I am at how much work you've gotten through so far - this is really amazing! Some of the top people at Wikia have been noticing as well! If you need any help with anything at all, please don't hesitate to let me know via my talk page, I'm here to lend a hand with anything you need. Shawn (talk) 17:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Bulldozer - I'm going to be making logos for you and another wiki tonight, so as soon as it's done, I'll post it. As far as promotion goes, we're working on getting your Google hits up, too. We'll do our best to try and get some new people in here and helping! One thing that might work on your end: do you belong to any forums, mailing lists or websites that you might be able to mention the wiki on? Getting people you know are already interested in the material to help is a good way of building up a user base. Shawn (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The logo is uploaded! Shawn (talk) 08:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Archived Discusions

Several of the early discussions have been moved to the archive page to reduce this pages size. - BulldozerD11 14:23, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Tractor Manufacturers

Question: for the Tractor Manufacturers page, why are you insisting that U.K. be at the top, and "America", (i.e. USA), be next? Why not have the entire listing alphabetized? That would seem to make more sense. I like the break-down by country, (I only did alphabetical by tractor name on Wikipedia List of Tractor Mfgs, except I began separate pages for each major country, starting with India, but haven't gotten any further.

I like the wiki for tractors!Scoty6776 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Categories

-But I'm unsure if to put Category:Companies of India & Category:Companies of Pakistan into Asia or a new subgroup of ? . -Also Norway, Finland, Sweden - Europe or Scandinavia ? I think I'd stick with the Continents, at least for now. So ...Asia and ...Europe. Scoty6776 20:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

What about tractor brands that are built by other companies... "brand" has no manufacturing, just the label?

For example, Jinma, Foton, Dong Feng and other Chinese companies especially, build tractors that anyone can import and put their own brand on: Lenar, Tractor King, Bulldog, East Wind, Siromer, etc...

see List_of_tractors_built_by_other_companies Scoty6776 13:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

British Anzani Iron Horse

Hi, many thanks for sorting the photo I loaded up, it's the first time I have tried this; lot to learn. You were corrct, I took the photo myself as I own this one, built sometime in the early 1940s as it has a long reach plug on the J.A.P engine; which was fitted to the early engines. There is no makers ID number stamped on the engine block, which is found on later models. Philip56 11:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Reply is on users own talk page - BulldozerD11 12:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thanks for the tips , will do in future & will add requested information as time permits

cheers: - paul :-)

Re: Dave Weedons Diamond T

Hi BulldozerD11,this is my first few days on a wiki all going well but need help with a photo,i have up loaded Dave Weedons Diamond T but can not seem to get it on to his page. Can you help?(Grader99h 20:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC))

reply on users talk page

Link problem

The link to the Dave Weedon Collection on the Rotinoff page is in red and does not work do you know how to fix this?--Grader99h 20:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Link fixed, (difference in link target due to capitalisation of title effects link) - BulldozerD11

more info to come

I will be checking the gearboxes on the rotinoff s tomorow as i think the info on the page is wrong, i understand the Atlantic and the super Atlantic have the same,6 speed with 3speed transfer box. Will also have more Diamon T info next week.Ones at a show on sunday.Thanks for the picture editing tip last week.--Grader99h 21:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I will get the info when i go to see the sunters and paraby s rotinoffs side by side at Dave Weedons

Thanks for correcting the pics i am still getting to grips with editing. There will probably be the Sunters Rotinoff in the tractor pull on Saturday 8th august at Pickering Steam Rally, there will also be a sunters junior constructor on display and both will do the drive into pickering on the saturday night.

--Grader99h 22:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

HYMAC trade mark

Discussion Re: HYMAC - moved to archive

A message was posted re the ownership of the Hymac Company and associated Trade marks & some of the statements in the Hymac article, by an Antony O Gorman (User:Tonyhymac.

Following several edits made to the article by IP user accounts removing material with no explanation give and that were reverted as per Tractor Wiki policy with regards to any edits that appear to be vandalism, the IP accounts were blocked as per Wikia policies on vandalism. Mr Gorman registered an account User:Tonyhymac and made several more disruptive edits and was Blocked. The above (now archived) message was added. After a discussion with Wika staff the account was unblocked on the understanding that constructive edits by the account to increase the factual content and add suitable references are acceptable to the Wiki if in accordance with the wiki's editing and content policies and any disputed material should be discussed before removal.

Note on Hymac article

No recent constructive additions have been made to the page by the user in the last 6 months so this discussion has been archived with this explanation left. The original messages is available on the Archive page, others are on the relevant talk pages unless those pages have subsequently (from today) been archived - BulldozerD11 15:44, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Note on Trademarks

Hymac, Caterpillar, Massey Ferguson and JCB etc are all trademarks of there respective owners, and are used on here as part of the discussion, comment and recording of the history of the machines built by these famous notable companies in there various incarnations. The normal style of 'writing' them is as a first letter capitalised lowercase name except were the name is normally just initials, e.g JCB, as is done in most media and books on the subjects. The "Tractor and Construction Wiki" site is hosted by Wikia.Com on servers in the United States.

Uploading photos


Fantastic website. I'd like to be able to add some photos, especially to some of the traction engine pages, but am struggling to work out how! I tried to add a photo of the first Allchin (669) but my attempts to replace the current "photo needed" symbol with my photo have so far failed dismally! I've then managed to upload the photo somehow, but I don't know where it's gone! Basically I'd love to help fill in some gaps, but how do I get my photos in the right place?

Sorry if I'm being daft, this wikia stuff is all new to me!

--Martin Smith 17:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Replied on users talk page

Identity Theft

Dude, your username is too similar to mine, please change it. BulldozerE11 13:02, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Who is passing themselves of as who ? D11 is before E11 - BulldozerD11 16:01, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

cattle trucks

Hi bulldozer Been to lanark again using up my holidays . Remembered you asked for some pics of cattle trucks got a couple today will upload pics . Volvo fh 480 had a top of the range trailer fitted with fans to keep stock cool and water drinking bowls. John taits Scania has a nice paint job on the cab. Heading south to Hexham mart on saturday hope to get some pics


neil —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neil young (talkcontribs)

Merton Engineering

Hi BulldozerD11, Ive updated some more information on Merton Engineering. Can you tell me where/how you know its was taken over in 1968 by Whitlock? Thanks Kevin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevint (talkcontribs) 14:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

See the ref link (Full answer on users talk page)
BulldozerD11 14:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Steelfab 170

Hi Bulldozer I am trying to trace Wallabi60 to find out where he got the pictures of the Steelfab 170 from , do you know how i can contact him direct, are you able to email him direct?

Any help would be most appreciated - thanks Julian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julian carder (talkcontribs)

Sorry Julian but User:Wallabi60 joined up and added the 3 photos to the site and has not been back since by the look. I dont have anything to do with registration or contact details thats all part of the central system that hosts the individual wiki sites. All i have control of is to Block editors if they Vandalise the site or break any tractor wiki rules etc. admins may have Email contact with users but US data protection laws will apply to Wikia sites. You can try contacting admins using 'special contact' (contact wikia) at very bottom of page below the 3 wikia site spotlight adverts and ask.
Alternatively try searching on similar forum sites for same user name & see if they posted anything similar, is the only suggestions i can offer.
- BulldozerD11 00:40, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

RitchieWiki Equipment/Plant wiki

BulldozerD11, You may have seen this wiki already, but there may be some info to add to TractorWiki...

Scoty6776 19:36, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Note Ritchie Wiki have now clarified the copyright/licensing status of their site now so material can be used on here and othersites like wikipedia if Attributed under the CC license. Previously they had no definitive statement about the sites copyright status. This was after requests for clarification by several users including myself (as an IP editor) - BulldozerD11 17:32, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Bolens 800

Hey, hope your doing good.

I do know what engine was in the Bolens 800 I'll put in there for you.

I been off and on wikia for a year now I have not had much time to work on my wikia but I'll get back to her, I have some good ideas for it but just have not had the time.

(Wilberj 04:41, February 17, 2010 (UTC))

Re: your email

Please see wikia:User_blog:Sannse/Even-faster-Monaco about the new changes.

The you can override the green buttons to make something more fitting by using helpwiki:ButtonFactory

As for the pink color in the bottom of the save bar, it is part of the theme you have picked. You can override it with ".accent" in your css.

The other issues you mentioned seemed to be fixed now, and were likely the cause of some temporary issues from the launch on wednesday.

--Uberfuzzy 20:07, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Uberfuzzy for reply. The 'missing' borders reappeared after a few Hours, so after seeing some bits at central I assumed it must have been a 'glitch' from the update that i then found out about (after id sent the message to you). I'was concerned in-case all the templates needed re-coding to fix it, as they looked terrible, after the earlier problems with the importing of templates.
The 'pink' used to be a darker shade that matched colour of the secondary colour of the wiki 'scheme' which rendered clearer (I think). The new pink bit is harder to see on the laptop (more a light cream colour to me). It appears a bit darker now than it initial did but that may be just under different artificial light conditions from daylight yesterday.
I'll have alook at the button thing to update the colours then as they are abit too 'bold' in my opinion.
I would say announcing things in blogs does not reach most users who do not frequent centrals blogs all the time, the site announcement system worked better before.

Thanks again sorry to trouble you. - BulldozerD11 22:10, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

BulldozerD11 you have done an amazing job with the tractor wikia, finding and organizing a huge amount of information. I just discovered it a few days ago and am new to the editing procedures. Yesterday I tried to edit the Case article (anonymously, because I had not yet registered). The article had something about the first Case diesel being in the mid-30s. I thought it was referring to the McCormick-Deering WD40, not a Case. I see you have since added information about the 1953 Case 500 and the older LAH. I believe the agricultural LAH and industrial LAIH were built from 1942-45, not 1933, and they were based on the LA, not the L. Also I think the "Hasselman"-type engine is really Hesselman. It was a low-compression, spark-ignited, diesel that we usually call a semi-diesel in the US. I'm not aware of any Case crawler built in 1928. The Trackson company (I think) made a tracked conversion of the Case C and sold it as the CD through Case dealers from about 1931-37, but I don't think it was a cataloged Case model.

Most of this information comes from: Letourneau, Peter (1993). Case Tractor Buyer's Guide. Motorbooks International, Osceola, Wisconsin.

I have a lot of info and photos of American tractors. I will try to add and edit as I find the time.

Ed Roberts

Edrob 23:55, April 9, 2010 (UTC)edrob

Case diesel and crawler

BulldozerD11 you have done an amazing job with the tractor wikia, finding and organizing a huge amount of information. I just discovered it a few days ago and am new to the editing procedures. Yesterday I tried to edit the Case article (anonymously, because I had not yet registered). The article had something about the first Case diesel being in the mid-30s. I thought it was referring to the McCormick-Deering WD40, not a Case. I see you have since added information about the 1953 Case 500 and the older LAH. I believe the agricultural LAH and industrial LAIH were built from 1942-45, not 1933, and they were based on the LA, not the L. Also I think the "Hasselman"-type engine is really Hesselman. It was a low-compression, spark-ignited, diesel that we usually call a semi-diesel in the US. I'm not aware of any Case crawler built in 1928. The Trackson Company (I think) made a tracked conversion of the Case C and sold it as the CD through Case dealers from about 1931-37, but I don't think it was a cataloged Case model.

Most of this information comes from: Letourneau, Peter (1993). Case Tractor Buyer's Guide. Motorbooks International, Osceola, Wisconsin.

I have a lot of info and photos of American tractors. I will try to add and edit as I find the time.

Ed Roberts - Edrob 23:56, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
H Ed thanks for the compliment. - Ive replied on your talk page.

RE: Getting a preload template to show and how to pass a title to it

Well, the post you made on Central was a bit confusing due to the sub-par grammar. I hope you understand if I ask you to rephrase it, but here's the problem: There is no parameter in index.php to do this type of stuff. On the other hand, if you're only going to use the preload template in substitutions, you can safely use the version I have now to create the stuff. Also, I suggest that all of your preload stuff be placed in the template namespace. It helps keep things tidy that way. Hope this helps. RAN1 (talkcontributions)

Thanks for your reply Ran1 - Ill' look at your new version in a bit.
Apologies if a bit confusing as I was struggling to explain it clearly. I'm not a 'programmer' but can get by with moderate wiki code, but complex logic and other coding like HTML, CSS & JS are a foreign language to me. Re the location of pre load template 'source code' stuff, that was done the same as in the original code it was adapted from, and other preload templates i had looked at on other wikias. (I should have said were it came from - the german traktorenlexikon on wiki books) - I thought the reasoning was that if its in the 'template' namespace it can get mixed up with normal templates ?. - BulldozerD11 12:14, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Well, from what I know, everything that should be used multiple times are almost always in the Template namespace. You can categorize them so that they don't get confused, so that should be useful too. Tell me your thoughts once you get a look at the new version. RAN1 (talkcontributions) 15:33, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ran1 I've rewritten the original request /query and spilt it into numbered sections, so hopefully its clearer now. There are a number of my other attempts to get multiple options for creating new pages in my sandboxes (see my user page). Some of these and the toolbar at the top of the page came from the Marvell database Wiki. another attempt was based on the Documentation pages preload function. But they all proved too complex for me to get functioning. Then i found this mch simpler one that I just tweaked the displayed text to look more like a std link with a bit of assistance from a admin on wikibooks.
Added your new version to page here and somethings wrong as it shows all the internal code and does nor create a link to load a new page ? The original {{Create reg-no.}} version it was based on (used above on that same page) works to create a new page - BulldozerD11 17:38, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Now i've looked at changes to Tractor & Construction Plant Wiki:PML Truck I see it still has {{pagename}} in it but the title needs to be "List of Preserved {{{1}}} trucks" were {{{1}}} is from the Title supplied to the {{create pml truck|{{{1}}}}} were {{{1}}} is part of the title of the Template page which becomes "Template:PML {{{1}}}" and as {{{1}}} can be different to the name of the page the "create template" is placed in. I see the use of the subst: to add the name permanently into the new template page. - BulldozerD11 19:37, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Home page

Hi BulldozerD11. One problem I notice with the home page is that it's very wide. Many visitors have their screen size set to 1024 pixels wide, which means they need to scroll horizontally to read the page.

There's a lot of good information on the home page, but there might be a little bit too much. Did you know there are more than 500 links on the page? I'd recommend trying to reduce that to 200 and focusing on linking to only the most important content. For example, you could link to the calendar on another page instead of including it on the home page.

Angela (talk) 01:09, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

trouble using Template: infobox tractor

I'm doing something wrong. While trying to create a new page (AGCO ST30X) I inserted the Template: Infobox Tractor and edited it. The instructions said to click preview. Nothing happened. Then I saved the changes and saved the page but the changes didn't happen.Edrob 00:17, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Template: Infobox Tractor

Hi- Do you know how to fix the tractor infobox. I can insert and modify the automobile and truck infoboxes with no problem but the tractor infobox always saves as the original blank template.

infobox tractor, heavytruck

Hi BulldozerD11. I last did programming in the days of BASIC and dBase so I'm finding the wiki code very confusing. The Template: Infobox Heavytruck was not something I intended to use. It was just a place to experiment with infoboxes and try to find something that worked. I'm doing that now with a test article, not a template. Whether I insert the tractor infobox template or copy the code to an article, it doesn't work. When I copy the code from a working infobox such as the one in AGCO DT275B, then it works in my article and I can change the data. But I have no way to add new items such as valve arrangement (L-head, ohv, T-head, etc. Even with the rich text turned off, I see only a list of parameters with data, not the actual code like in the template. By the way, would the fuel type row make more sense up with the engine characteristics instead of near the bottom. The truck infobox seems to work if I copy the code into my article and then change the data. In this case I see the code so I can add additional rows for items important in American heavy trucks, such as chassis weight, list price, GCW rating (for tractor/trailer rigs), and component specs like: Timken SQ100 hypoid dual-drive tandem rear axle, 40000 lb capacity or Coleman driven front axle, 21000 lb capacity.Edrob 23:12, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Reply placed on users own talk page - BulldozerD11 23:53, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I will add content to the pages A.I.C. Abbott-Downing, etc. I created those blank at first to experiment with what you said about categories, etc. By the way, how do you get rid of a page created by accident (mispelling, etc.)? I'm confused about categories. I have a lot of info on antique American trucks but I don't know where it should go. A search for "List of Truck Manufacturers" redirects to "Commercial Vehicles" but the bottom of that page has "Truck Manufacturers" and "List of Truck Manufacturers". Besides "North & South American Trucks" on "Commercial Vehicles" there is the category "American Manufacturers" on "Truck Manufacturers", "North America" on "List of Truck Manufacturers", plus "List of American Truck Manufacturers". All these lists are different. Is there no single definitive list? Apparently "List of American Truck Manufacturers" and "List of Truck manufacturers" aren't official categories. If I add A&R (for example) to the category "Truck Manufactures", how does it get into the subcategory "American Manufacturers". Next subject: My latest version of a truck infobox is at Templete: Infobox Heavytruck (which doesn't actually function as a templete) with dummy data. It is also used for the pages A&R and A.B.C. I moved the capacity (tons, GVW) to the model description near the top. I don't see why such an important part of model identification should be sort of an afterthought at the bottom. I also added more detail about engines, transmission, and axles. I'm finding it easy enough to copy this format to each new page and then change the data. I'm pretty satisfied with the tractor infobox as is except for it printing "discontinued" twice for model status. I assume somebody who knows how will fix that. Now I will check out what you suggested about namespace. P.S. Re-reading your last message I see you already mentioned the "discontinued" problem in the tractor infobox. Edrob 23:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Retrieved from ""Edrob

Replyed on users own talk page - BulldozerD11 00:26, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Morton Tractors, etc

Sorry to cause you so much work cleaning up after me. I will use my user space for drafts from now on. I didn't know how to do it before. With the Morton group, I was trying to create the categories and subcategories first. I was going to go back and rewrite each page to focus on the specific company or brand name, but I ran out of time yesterday.

Not a problem Ed, I was just getting confused, seeing the same article. Themain problem was somthing had gon wrong during copying as the links had disaperared & some strange effcts were occuring with the TOC & headings. Real life got in the way for me as well.

I notice that the tractor manufacturer category is a mixture of company names and brand names. For example, Challenger is a brand name built by AGCO. There is no Challenger company.

The Distinction between Manufactures and Brands needs clarifying, but removing Brands from the list of X pages could be more confusing to casual visitors IMO. But with the categories they need to migrate to the 'correct' one. Categoris are a bit of an iceberg now having started with just a few rather 'vauge' groupings they are expanding rapidly, with sub grouping. Companies were all in one originaly but have now migrated to by country sub groups and even a defuct sub sub group. Initially there was no point having a category for just one or two items, and initialy deleted a lot of the Wikipedia based articles categories but soon, realise it was an mistake (and with links). Now I tend to ad a category for each company's name, as all its products will go in that when added (large corporations may have division as well.

I thought I read somewhere that the convention was to leave off "Ltd.", "Co.", and similar words so that is what I was trying to do. I want to use the Morton subcategory name in the "defunct tractor manufacturers" category to lead to all the companies with the Morton name. I want to use the Morton brand name in the category "tractors" for a page linking to the various companies and the Morton tractors they made. I see that you moved the Morton Truck & Tractor Co. from the Morton subcategory to the general Defunct Tractors category. The Morton Tractor Co. is still under Morton. Both names are from books by C.H. Wendel and refer to the same company. On rechecking, I see that he used Morton Tractor in earlier books and Morton Truck & Tractor in later books, but not both at once. I think Morton Tractor should be deleted and Morton Truck and Tractor should be moved back under the Morton subcategory, but I'm hesitant to do it without your OK.

Sorry my message on Ltd, Plc etc was not clear its the 'legal status' initials that are generally not used. In the case of Morton Tractor Co. etc a lot of the names are ambiguous as they are 'common' words & Reliance could be used in articles for other things, there is a Reliance Gear Co.. If you look at the Morton Traction Co. article & the links I added in ready for the companies they included the Co. bit. The 'changing names' of alot of companies & are they the same one is a big problem in general. Use the most common one & redirect others to it. You are getting the hang of editing as I saw the Disambig page you created to clarify it. The pages can bi in multiple categories, as a true 'pyramid structure' will not work, as you need the answer to find it first in alot of cases by going down too many levels (if that makes sense). If Morton Tractor Co. & Morton Truck & Tractor Co. are probably same firm, then redirect to one and add it in to the lead section text (also known as xyz).
If creating 'stub' articles they need to have a Lead (intro) section that makes sense to readers, i.e matches the page title and sets the point of the article out, other wise a redirect to the main article with 'content' describing the subject would make more sense. Pages are best if the have at least one link to go somewhere else or they are a dead end for readers. Hence adding the 'See also' sections and the Navboxes use on most company pages, for companies making similar products. - BulldozerD11 22:53, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

A few thoughts

If unsure just ask, I'll try to explain why I've done or changed something & my logic behind it if possible, some things were done early on and only now is the 'error' of the initial action becoming obvious. New users are great because they pic up on some of the flaws as they navigate & think in a different way to me. The site has evolved from its initial UK Tractor bias, to cover all makes from the first to the current models & a wide rang of connected companies and vehicle history in general & preservation, but as i've gone off at a few tangents I've lost focus on some sections. The Initial idea was that others could add in ther field of expertise, so i intially whent for a wide generall coverage that could be built on rather than a few in depth article on just a fe makes and models. - BulldozerD11 22:53, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Naming conventions

I've found that article names here are all over the place. Some with hyphens some without. Then some will say model and some won't. A lot of redlinks actually have articles but with a different style name and no redirect. I'll try to fix this unless/until it gets frustrating if there's too many! Daniel Christensen 20:20, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, Be great if you can fix some of the missing redirects. Naming convention is a 'issue' as different sources use / dont use hyphens & when I started some companies were given the short 'common' name for easy i.e Ford but there are so many different divisions / names used at times. companies such as Massey Ferguson have used both during its life interchangably. Eds post above highlights how it is unclear with some firms as to 'what' is the real name. I'm following wikipedias convention of avoiding Ltd, Plc, LLC, Pty, Ghmb etc unless the name can be confused due to using common words in its title, but Co. or Company is generally fine as it often used by the early firms and clarifies they are bussines. Flagg any problem ones (names) up on the main articles talk page. Names and model numbers with MF are troublesome as they used some numbers for several products and initially I state using page names like MF 135, but then moved to Massey Ferguson 135 but it could be argued that it should be Massey Ferguson MF 135 ? I'm open to suggestions & the creation of a policy page to try to define it better. - BulldozerD11 22:53, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


I was surprised to see this didn't have an article; have you created links to it such as on List of agricultural machinery? Daniel Christensen 00:23, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Also, on DB120, I would think that, with the future and with openess in mind, you would want red links to things like GPS as they are being used more and more in modern times. It would be entirely appropriate to have an article on here on GPS's as they pertain to tractors and farming. Daniel Christensen 00:27, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
I have sessions when I fill in some of the many missing articles, often when i get a photo of something interesting. Or i look at the special:wantedpages list, but that is severely distorted by the navbox lists. There is the similar seed drill article, but this then gets into the differing names for similar products in different markets, as the term planter in the UK tens to be used for a machine for 'planting out' seedling of vegetables and salad crops.
Some items on items were an article is unlikly to be updated, but a definition would be usefull are linked to Wikipedia by using the link style [[wikipedia:GPS|GPS]]. There are so many articles wanted on man subjects that it is a delema as to how many to write from scratch or to copy from wikipedia. I have no problem with you writing a stub & linking to WP for more info, Linking to a wp or other site, or leaving a ed link, as they can all be changed latter if required/ deemed appropriated. It is a delema with a lot of pages how much to link, but certainly common technical terms that users may need an explination of are valid links to have in one form or another, Places, towns, countries are not realy viable to link unless significant. There is also the potential problem of vandalism of obsure pages being missed. For countries I have left some in and thoght of having them redirect to an index page with links to wikipedia, fom summary sections.
BTW if articles are from WP (wikipedia) originally please add a {{wikipedia|original article name|date=20 May 2010}} tag at teh bottom of page for source credit, and in the initial edit summary. (I have a bad habit of rewritting linking them on import instead of saving as 'was found' & then editing it after) - Thanks - BulldozerD11 00:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

More About Naming Conventions

I'm beginning to understand the enormity of the task you took on! At the Heidrick Ag History Center and Hays Antique Truck Museum where I volunteer, we get calls for information all the time. People usually ask for information about specific machines so I'm usually looking up information by brand name. C.H. Wendel's tractor encyclopedias are organized by company and I find it hard sometimes to find the info I'm looking for. I think it's great to list both ways in the wiki. I've been working for several years to organize the info in the museum archives and in my own collection into a sort of computer encyclopedia covering about 1200 makes of American trucks and 900+ brands of tractors. I work a lot with sales brochures so I index my articles by whatever nameplate is shown on the machine and in the sales literature, thus McCormick-Deering "Farmall" and McCormick "Farmall" and International "Farmall" not just Farmall. Now I see that you have to use all of the names that people might use to search for info, which makes the naming tricky. Edrob 01:28, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ed. Dont forget to add pages for Heidrick Ag History Center and the Hays Truck Museum & links for them in Museums List, {{Museum}} and any relevant places were they could be usefull such as articles featuring vehicles in the museums collections etc. Include a web link to there web sites in the articles and iWeb Site Links & page and iff possible a link to this site from there web sites. The cross linkability is the Beauty of Mediawiki based sites, but the unstructured data can also cause problems, as you have seen. The other advantages is many people can participate to build the encyclopedia with minimal boundaries as the editors decide what is acceptable and what to excluded. (I tried to write the scope widely anyway to be flexible)
That sounds a fantastic library of info you have access to. I only have a few dozen books & 100s of magazines (and 20,000+ photos to work through from shows & museums visited over the last couple of years. But actually writing from scratch is quite hard at times. There are just over 3000 article now (alot based on wikipedia ones) but also a similar number of templates and images + other pages such as categories. The wanted pages list breakes after 10,000 pages, and alot of the model list are not even links yet. So plenty of work to keep me busy for a few years as well yet. Articles are never 'complete' & can be split when too large into more manageable chunks. It is abit hard to get your head round at first & takes time. the various special:SpecialPages are quite usefull tools along with page histories and watchlists (now following) - Have fun digging deeper your already picking wiki editing & structure up steadily - BulldozerD11 02:13, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

What links here

Hey how do you get the what links here thing to be in the sidebar? And those other things like multiple upload and contributions and stuff? Mostly I want to know how to add the what links here thing to my wiki. Thanks. Daniel Christensen 03:49, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Its one of the Media Wiki namespace pages that customizes the interface. Canot remember which at the moment as it was at least 18 months ago when i updated it. Will have alook later. Only admins can access it so you will have to update yours. The boxes below it are changeable using the Widgets link under the 'more' button at the top right of the page. The Whole interface look, buttons, features and colours can be changed by editing the MediaWiki:Common.css file but that can get complicated (too much for me to bother with, best way is to 'borrow ideas from other wikis, but they can go wrong when wikia updates the system & then getting it fixed is a problem). My side bar menu went wrong when i tried to customise it early on but wikia staff fixed it for me.
BTW "What links here" is now a problem due to using the navboxes on most pages, some pages have thousands of links to them, with some 'wanted pages' listing as 600 + pages wanting them created. I should find away of stopping them being included in the count, but early on it was usefull, as i created pages based on the most wanted list. now you have to scan down to below the 'big' number items to get a better idea of needed pages from 'normal' links - BulldozerD11 11:52, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
To add "multiple upload" change this interface file on YOUR wiki with the change I made - on here . "What links here" must be part of wikia default set up as cannot see it in the file above. Note what is displayed changes depending on the page being viewed.
UPDATE - the file MediaWiki:Monaco-toolbox appears to be the one creating that box - my file has this code;
* upload-url|Upload image
* Special:MultipleUpload|Multiple upload
* specialpages-url|specialpages
* helppage|help
* recentchanges-url|recentchanges
* randompage-url|randompage
* whatlinkshere|whatlinkshere

So try updating that one instead - BulldozerD11 16:00, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

delete page

Will you please delete the "International Trucks" page I started on the main wiki so I can move the completed version out of my user space?Edrob 09:30, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

International Trucks

Thanks for the advice. I had gotten myself tangled in a web of redirects. I didn't mean that I was done with the page. I will add photos and links but, after getting the framework established, I wanted to make sure I could get it back to the main wiki. Edrob 21:43, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

No problem Ed, I'm still learning after 2 years. All moving apage does is rename it and create a redirect when you do it. When I do it I can break the redirect. Copy and paste has its uses in some instances but in others it breakes the history chain which is a problem, but by a suitable edit summary a 'conection' can be recorded but all the intermediate misc edits to build the page can be purged. You can create additional 'development' pages in your user space by creating a link [[User:Edrob/any page name]] on your user page and then going to it via the new link to start it. you can then create drafts and build them up in stages. Then just C&P them into the real page name when ready. I'll not edit pages in 'your' space but once live will update them, as any body else can. - BulldozerD11 23:04, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Image Licensing

:reply moved to Users page, for continuity. - BulldozerD11 09:18, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


I like the Templatetruck-model and enclosed infobox. When using the infobox I can't change the title of the box. Sometimes I don't want it the same as the page. Also I can't get it to load an image. How about a line for brake type (mechanical, hydraulic, etc.)? Maybe right after suspension?

As for naming images, should I use the form: John_Deere_D_1941 or leave off the date? I might have more than one year for a model, for example unstyled and styled Ds. I have photos of American International Harvester wheel and crawler tractors from tractor shows, probably most models from late-teens through mid-50s.

The old truck you added to the International Trucks page has the IHC badge instead of International script on the radiator so that makes it an IHC Auto Wagon, pre-1914. It appears to have a radiator so that would make it a water-cooled AW model from 1912-13. The air-cooled A and AA models looked almost identical but had the fuel tank in front instead of the radiator. We have a 1912 AW in the Hays Museum that still runs.Edrob 01:59, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

My reply with my original message on users page - BulldozerD11 02:04, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

International tractor data

I can add a lot of data for the International models. I have sales brochures for most models from 1940s to the end and data from Implement & Tractor Red Book annual specification issues from about 1918-90 (with some years missing).Edrob 06:42, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

infobox tractor

How about adding entries to infobox tractor for governed rpm and plow rating (as in 2-3 plow)?Edrob 20:17, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes could probably squeeze them in. Not sure were the plow rating would sit best, but was commonly used for early tractors. - BulldozerD11 20:27, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that moving production total to the bottom of the table looks better. I will attempt to handle multiple instances of the same reference like you said. And I will try to avoid excessive use of references. Part of the problem is that Cub Cadet serial numbers are kind of messed up. I tried to find the best number possible for beginning and ending serial number for each year for each model, so someone could look up their serial number and find out year built. Unfortunately no single source has all the info. Some have first and last number for a model over a range of years. Some have actual production of a model in each year. Some have production estimated from the serial number range. Some have the beginning serial number for each year. And the numbers don't agree. One source has some numbers transposed. Kenneth Updike's book has a table of serial number ranges by year, but one year was left out so all the following serial number ranges are offset by one year. Others just have different numbers for no reason I can understand. Some tables require an explanation of why the figures don't seem to match. I've noticed that similar problems affect serial numbers records for other makes as well.Edrob 21:39, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


You remember me right? Well, how ya doing? I've got a few contributors there at Autopedia, but I think I quite need an expansion on trucks and tractors (all accepted), you wanna help? Because I saw you contributed to Cars Wikia too. If yes, I'd consider that an honour, I can reward you at least rollback rights. :-) thanks --Knighrez(Talk) 04:41, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer Knightrez, but I have a backlog of material to add here and am only occasionally editing at Central for a break from here & to offer assistance were I can. I gave up editing and vandal patrolling at wikipedia as I did not have time for both. I did not really contribute any material to Auto wiki, just trying to tidy up some of the missing / broken templates. Note: Rollback is only of use for vandalism problems, as edits made in 'good faith' should be reverted with a normal 'undo' edit so a edit summary can be given explaining why the edit has been undone (reverted) (which any editor can do anyway).
You can use any of my own images from here for articles on Autopedia as long as they are attributed to either me directly or to Tractors.wikia as per the CC-by-SA license. I'll add you a link in the side bar with the other transport related wikis when I update the side menu. The few car related articles on here stem from the fact that the companies historically built tractors or commercial vehicles, or were I have photos from classic vehicle shows, so have used a wikipedia article to fill in the history & remove multiple red links to the manufacturer, so other than historical British Makes I do not intend actively covering cars on here, as the wiki will tend to get too diversified, hence me looking at the Cars Wiki to see what they covered (rather poorly). Having said that I have a collection of photos of the vehicles in the National Motor Museum, Beaulieu to add but mainly of veteran cars or others of historical significance, such as speed record attempts. I have the same problem with Motorcycles in that i'm accumulating photos of early British makes seen at events and a lot of the manufactures link in but do I really want to get into a field I know little of, but I have edited articles on wikipedia at times & they can be quiet interesting historically from the corporate connections between firms. But as it is show season I have less time for editing as I'm out getting more photos most weekends. ps. Build lists of makes to link articles as search engines will get more hits as they trawl the site. I'd suggest sticking to your current automobile based subject area as branching out takes effort away from the core subject articles as car manufacturers and models cover such a vast number world wide just covering current models as i have found for the tractor brands when i started listing them. Wikia sites are not Wikipedia and cannot effectively cover everything with just a few editors & need to focus on a limited subject area. It has taken me 2 years to get the wiki to this size and i still only have a couple of other editors regularly contributing articles. - BulldozerD11 18:49, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. So are you sure about this or not? --Knighrez(Talk) 00:03, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


What is Fordson? --Knightrez(Talk) 06:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

see Fordson - A company started by Henry Ford and latter a Ford Motor Company subsidiary and then brand. The name 'Ford Tractor Co.' was owned by another US firm at that time (early 1900s) so he had to find another name. THe name is often used to talk about the early Ford tractor Fordson Model F & the latter Fordson Major (in the UK) - BulldozerD11 10:38, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


I'm thinking of adding your wiki as an Affiliate. Could you do the same so I can get a higher visitor boost from your wiki? :) --Knightrez(Talk) 23:14, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Knightrez not sure what you mean by 'Affliate' but in my reply your 'Help' post above, I said I would add you to the Sidebar menu - under "Other Transport related Wikis" when I next update the menus. I'm trying to get to 3500 articles (without creating stubs) by the end of June, so not updating it immediately. You can also add your wiki a link in the Web Site Links page if you like - BulldozerD11 23:34, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Ive been waiting way too long. When? --Knightrez(Talk) 02:13, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Other makes

I can add more info on John Deere when I'm finished with IH, also A-C, Case, Oliver, etc.Edrob 20:08, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ed your doing an excellent Job with IH (still a few models left) - I cannot keep up all the time and have missed a few pages you added !! especially when Scotty has a purge on tidying up/defining the 'missing' categories and adding obscure 'foreign' makes he keeps finding. I've gone back to my early photos (on this pc) & stated adding the individual vehicles, so i can archive the photos off this PC to make space for new stuff from shows. - BulldozerD11 22:39, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

TD-24 history

Oops! I did forget to update the history. The way I work is to copy a "finished" page to a new user space page (sometimes a batch of them) and then change all the content, keeping the format. No matter how many times I go over the draft I always seem to have brain fade and make some glaring mistake when I copy it to the main site. Thankfully I catch some myself but some slip through.

I will check out the MF pages and try to understand what you said about Navboxes, etc. Just re-read your June 20 posting. How do you manage to take 1100 pictures in an outing? I can only manage about 100 a day and my feet are killing me with that much walking.Edrob 01:56, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

turning circle

What is the accepted usage of "turning circle"? I assumed it meant the whole circle and have used it that way in my articles so far. But I see that it is often used to mean the turning radius.Edrob 20:01, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Add Photo to table ?

Hi, Would it be possible to edit the picture of Field Marshall 16138,

I have filled in the details about the tractor, and have added pictures, but would like to show this picture on the main serial number list page,, where all the other thumbnails are.

Many thanks, Regards - Oilmancam

Hi I've added one of the the two photos to the table. I Moved (renamed) it first so it easier to find.
To add the photo you need to select source mode if using the RTE by the button on far right of toolbar. Then scroll down the page to find the entry in the table and replace the 'place holder image' - {{Noimage}} with the photo by deleting the "Noimage" text and the {} brackets and then with the curser in the cell still select 'add image' on the toolbar which pops up a window and if recently just uploaded it will be visible or on the next few pages of thumbnails or use "find" and enter part of the images name (hence me renaming it so i could just type 16138 in the box)(note search does not like spaces so 'Field' works bur 'Field Marshall' will not unless a _ is added to give Field_Marshall but it will return hundreds of images). When image found click the button to add it and then it has to be updated manually in the table from [[File:your image name.jpg|thumb]] to [[File:your image name.jpg|150px]] which fixes the size and removes the border that images normally have. (look at other entries in the table).
Alternatively above the 'find box' in the 'add image' window/box is a 'browse' button to upload a new image from your PC, but please save it with a name that is descriptive i.e Make/Type/model and serial no. or reg no. for vehicles means they can be found and used in other articles later. Note images added to articles within the page in 'headings' code or on the same line as the start of the table mess it up the computer so it canot understand the table and it shows alsorts of code rather than the neat table, so use preview to check first that it looks alright before saving.
Note: If logged in you should be able to 'rename/move' your existing images to a descriptive name. (PS when logged in you dont see the adverts) - BulldozerD11 21:09, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Field Marshall photos

Hi would it be possible to put the picture of Field Marshall 8881 & 14330 on to the main page

The pictures are in the tractor's profile

Many Thanks - Cameron Anderson - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oilmancam (talkcontribs)

PS the system will sign your username and add a date & time stamp if you press the dign button ot add - ~~~~ at the end of your post.
Done after renaming them to make them findable (see earlier note above about names). Note Wikia are messing with the sysytem and it now looks like in the table it does not like () they previously messed with it and stopped the "/" symbol working and also "?" being allowed in file names (i'm still searching out broken image names, as old images now do not display but are still on the system, but new ones fail to upload some times). So the images are not showing even though it is visible on the tractors own page ! wierd.
You can add them yourself to the table by replacing the {{noimage}} with your photo e.g [[File:Field_Marshall_14330_-_Picture_199_(Large).jpg|thumb]] it just needs the 'thumb' replacing by '150px' (or set size in the add picture dialog box & then once inserted remove the '|thumb' bit of the code) You may need to select source mode on your editor toolbar. Help:Editing.
But please upload them with a name that identifies them by model and serial number and or reg no. as they are much easier to find by search than by looking for another page with the photo on - going to the photo and copying the file name to the clipboard and then going to the PML list sub page and then adding it by pasting it in fore each one in turn. You can upload up to 5 at once and rename them by using the "Multiple image" upload link in the 'toolbox' on the left below the Main Menu list. This also allows you to add comments about the image and a License/copyright notice which each photo should have - Help:Image copyright tags for more info. - BulldozerD11 20:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

wikia changes

I just noticed the comments at the top of the opening page. I haven't followed the blogs so this was the first I've heard of the upcoming changes. I don't want to write more articles if they will just go to waste. Are you and other admins really considering giving up on the tractor wiki?Edrob 03:12, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Short answer - summary of longer reply posted to user:Edrob directly. I' as the founder of the wiki am unhappy at the changes being made by Wikia Inc. to the look of the site, terms of service and how it effects the layout of this site and the communities ability to control it. I'm not currently adding new material to the wiki, but am maintaining it. I am looking at alternative web site hosts to transfer to, but this site will stay up (unless wiki close it), but any content from here will be mirrored on any new site which would probably have a different/revised format/scope of content. - BulldozerD11 13:57, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
BulldozerD11 - I've changed my preferences to MonoBook, and find that much more preferred. Can you default the entire tractor wikia to MonoBook for all users? I don't know what terms of service have changed, but the new layout is what I see as VERY negative. Scoty6776 15:19, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately only individual users can select monobook for there own personal use, as Wikia removed the option for admins to select other skins for the whole site for logged in and IP users. You can update the colour scheme for every body as an admin but the old one we had went (it disappeared before when they added some new options but i found out how to get it back that time) - i tried to find something similar to the old one this time. The ToS stops me making changes to the Skin visible for everybody who visits (i think some wikis with css experts were hacking the skin too much to remove all cross wiki links etc) and as a way of stopping us removing the fixed width and removing the (over bearing) Wikia rail at the top etc. after allthe negative feed back on testing.- BulldozerD11 17:55, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

new site?

I just read an old posting where you said you don't control registration and don't know our email addresses. I would like to have some way to leave you my email address to keep in touch if you decide to do something on tractors with another site. I would be willing to add a lot of info on American tractors. In the meantime I will go back to what I was doing before - putting all the truck and tractor info I have on CDs for the Hays Antique Truck Museum. Edrob 22:55, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reply to your Comment on my blog

Devilmanozzy Blog: Things that make a successful Wiki, I replied to your comment. Sorry it took so long. Devilmanozzy (Talk Page) 18:27, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

I made a reply to your second comment on the blog. Like the colors here, if your need help on a background image, let me know. Devilmanozzy (Talk Page) 19:35, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Picture table

Dear BulldozerD11, would you be able to help me with the picture table? Reagrds, Liam (IH_15-30_expert). : )

Turner 'Yeoman of England' tractors

Dear BulldozerD11, I can help edit the Turner Diesel 'Yeoman of England' page as, aswell as having a 15-30 and 22-36 my family owns a Turner 'Yeoman of England' Mk2 tractor, a 2v95 generator/stationary engine, a marine 2v95 engine and a 1v95 engine. I also have a few original pieces of literature about the Turner tractor and I know a friend who has one of the biggest Turner engine and literature collections, who has loads of Turner tractor ads and a few Turner implements. He even has the original mock pub that came from the Nuffield hospital in Wolverhampton where the Turner dealers actually sold the tractors in when at shows. They would give the blokes a beer and then get them to sign for a Turner Yeoman tractor. My father has a friend that is related to the family that owns the prototype 2v95 row-crop Turner tractor and also a friend that owns another prototype Turner tractor. We know a lot of the Turner tractor owners in England including Mike Lawrence and Weaver who owns the red and black prototype perkins Turner tractor. Unfortunately we had a bad year the one year when the Newark show had its Turner Yeoman get together and was unable to attend with our tractor; apparently next year there will be a Turner get together somewhere but I have forgotten where. One of my families' friends who knows one of the organisers asked us to take our Turner tractor, so with any luck we will take it out to meet with some other Turners after years of it going no where. I bet you would like some extra info on this type of tractor as there is not too much info about these tractors on the internet.

- Regards Liam (IH_15-30_expert). : ) - —Preceding unsigned comment added by IH 15-30 expert (talkcontribs)
Any info extra info is welcome on any make or model and also individual tractors - I have photos of the ones shown at Newark Vintage Tractor and Heritage Show Turner special & probably have a few others I've seen still to add. - (longer reply on users page) - BulldozerD11 22:11, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

hello can anyone help i have a bonser ls 55 small rough terrain im looking for a back axle can anyone help? please ring neil wilson on 07960080216 many thanks


thanks alot for the message, Im a cub cadet fan and also a collector so Im happy to help out any way I can. I was wondering if there was any way that my pictures would be able to be used as the main pictures for the cub cadet pages that dont already have a pic on them? I thought it might help further those pages and do alot of good.

John deere head 19:58, November 28, 2010 (UTC)Sincerley Jeremy

Reply on users talk page -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   14:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

uploading pics

ive tried to upload pics to the pages that dont have main images but it says I dont have permission to do so, i didnt know if yo ucould take a file from the other pics i uploaded on the tractor pages and add a main photo from one of them?

reply on users talk page -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   14:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

ya I finallpy got it figured out and have pictures on the pages that didnt have them. well the ones I was able to provide pictures for at least.

replyed on Users tak page -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   14:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

AT Traction engine

Hi BulldozerD11,

I just saw your interest in the Ivel Agricultural motor ( ) As I am myself also interested in the machine, I was wondering whether you could give me some information/schematics on how the device is made, and how the plough it carries looks like ? I'm working on a project to built a AT-traction engine, see

Thanks in advance,
User:KVDP at Appropedia & wikipedia/wikimedia commons

Sorry I have no detailed info on the tractor but there is a book available on the tractor and its history, which i've not got a copy of yet. -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   20:16, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Dealer listing

Hi Bulldozer D11,

We have a problem with a nuisance caller or more serious unwanted attention at the moment and have been advised by our solicitor to remove names and phone numbers for the time being. I would appreciate you doing this if you can as soon as possible. Regards, Laurie Hatchard.

(Once this is sorted and we are back to normal I have 40 years experience in the plant job to offer this site.)

No problem Laurie - I'll delete it for now. Its always a 50:50 call when IP edits remove material whether genuine or vandalism. Let me know when/if you want it restoring.
I look forward to more input on some of the other firms histories and models history from you in future (theres plenty to go at still) -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   20:16, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for removing data. How do we stop it coming up on the initial search? as it still shows tel numbers on the results of the search. i.e. if you google my mobile number it still comes up as Hatchard Plant with info showing on the initial results. Regards, Laurie.H.

Hi I dont know how to get rid of that as that is down to Data Cached in Googles vast archive of material they trawl from the net, and also applies to all the other entries from online directories. I have deleted the whole page here as the history contains past versions of the page which were accessible, but the deletion summary contains some of the last page version. The version in wikias search should disappear in a couple of days as current version is not the original but is not the latest as wikia only updates the full search database every few days with changes to reduce load on the servers. It shows up an interesting point in that the Lead of an article can be at least 3 full lines of text long and anything within it shows in most search engines summary listing. -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   15:15, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, we recently requested our telephone number and details be removed from this site. Unfortunately, a search based on my mobile number still brings up our company name and details. Can you please remove our company altogether so that it does not come up in Google results including the cached option. Thank you. regards, Laurie Hatchard. Hatchard Plant & Machinery

I added my farmall 100 tractor info on the wiki page table. How can I add a photo, or can you add the photo from the gallery. Mine is the one with the person riding in the snow in black coat db7943 id.

Farmall 100 photo, S/N 5334J

Hi, not too sure of my way around yet. I just posted a photo of me on my Farmall 100, but can't get the photo onto the site where I posted the details of the tractor, i.e. Serial Number 5334J. Any help you could offer, would be great. As you can see, it is not restored. This is day I brought it home, November 8, 2008 after purchasing it for $2,500.00 Canadian. It works well, but I'd like to get it looking like new again. This will be one of my retirement projects, in a few years from now.

Thanks, John Middleton, Vanessa, Ontario Canada

- Jsmiddle 22:01, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reply posted on users page. -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   23:30, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for updating my photo. I love Stephen's tractor, but since he calls it a Cub, I wonder why it is on the Farmall 100 page? - John
Hi John Its a Farmall 100 fitted with a Cub plow (Thanks - i've changed the wording now to make it clearer as it was ambiguous in the squashed box - the tables used to be wider till Wika added the block (rail) on the right instead of menues on the left & forced a fixed width on pages which has caused problems for the tables on most wikisites hosted by Wikia) -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   17:11, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re 54 RB

Hi Bulldozer

I saw 54 RB pic you have uploaded on wiki. I need a 54 RB. If you can help me to buy this one or any other unit you have in knowledge do let me know

my email :

Regards - Mohammad Omar
Sorry Mohammad we cannot help as we do not do buying and selling of machinery we just collect data on known surviving examples and the history of the manufactures and models built by them. There are a few firms still dealing in used RB machines and spares in the UK and other countries. -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   00:30, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Tram wiki adminship?

Hey, I asked about this on your tram talk page, as well as requesting it, but I haven't gotten very far. How can I get admin status for the tram wiki? There is a lot of vandalism there, some that has hung around for years. Having admin tools would make it a lot quicker to get rid of it all! M Class 09:18, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Replied on your User page at Trams Wiki. (Basically i'm not the one to ask as not an Admin on trams Wiki or Wikia staff) -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   00:34, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Newcomer with expierence

Hello Bulldozer,

I'm a writer for another wiki and discover your work lately. I have some questions to you.

1st) Is it usefull to create infoboxes for the different model?

2nd) In which way can I add pictures to the wiki under the copyright?

3rd) Exist a common view how the articles could be structured?

tnxTimer81 19:15, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your help, I'm not too familiar with how these things work! I'll download some more pictures as soon as I work out how to transfer them from paper. With kind regards, Adrian


Hi, I saw you on a Land Rover mounted: PTO Belt pulley unit. If you wanted to know how can you've bought the pulley unit, or as you did to purchase. Thank you very much.

:Regards  Pasqualino.   Italy
 ? sorry this makes no sense to me - I only take photos of LandRovers not driven or worked on them for many years -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   10:21, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

john deere

that picture of the tracked john deere that you have, i think i have seen that tractor before. i belive it was the belvoir castle steam rally.

rollers year of build,

Hi all plant girls and guys ,my boss m, vanstone tarmac and ground works kilkhampton cornwall has a road roller chassey number GN2506,,,GNT,,,can any one tell us year of build , he thinks it is a dc10 i say its not ,i think it is late 60 s the roller is all good ,up and running we are going to enter in holsworthy vintage show this comeing wk end 24, 25 july 2011 contact me with imformation on about roller many thanks murray ,,plant fitter for above

A Make ? would be usefull - Try contacting Road Roller Association who have a lot of records for known examples in preservation and also old company records or access to them for a lot of makes. Also stick a photo up on some of the Plant and machinery forums it may get a old fitter who knows what it is etc. -   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   22:06, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

IH Wain Roy

Hi There Bulldozer,

How are you? Hope that all is well and good with you!!!

I Have come across your Picture of the IH Wain roy and am delighted!

I have a IH wain Roy here in Ireland for a number of years now.

When i first bought it i could not find any information on it at all.

I am just off it after doing a bit of work on my garden and am so glad that i came across it when i did!

It has don a Famous amount of work around my Land!!

The cab is the very same as the one in your picture, i do not have a 4 in 1 front bucket though!

I am going to give it a tidy up and a coat of paint and just wondered if you would have any more pictures that i could look at?

Many thanks for your time reading this!!

Hope to Talk soon!

Tommy ,

Hi Tommy thanks for taking time to look at the site. I only took a couple of photos of the whole machine plus a couple of details as it was parked under a tree and it was one machine in amongst several hundred others at the show. It was in very good condition for a un-restored machine in GWO. It is the only one i've seen close up as they were/are not that common. Looks a lot lighter than a JCB, but the 4in1 looks heavy on the front end.

Wain-Roy Backhoe on a IH 2275 tractor loader (click the photo for large version)

IH 22275 loader

4in1 Drott bucket

Kingpost detail / logo

How about a few photos of your example and any of the many other similar rare machines hiding in Ireland on small holdings & builders yards. Their used to be a Tidy Hymac 370 on the side of the A1 between Belfast & Newry that i meant to get a photo of but it had gone last time i passed that way.

-   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   00:19, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ruston Proctor 40909. The whole page now gets coloured red, and as a result is unreadable. Can you help please? I did write a query about this a couple of days ago, which was responded to by Uberfuzzy stafford. However, to put it simply I have no idea what he is talking about; I do wish people would use plain English..

Regards, Bob.

Re: Ur bio

[quote] I have collected old Machines in the past, and also collect Scale Model versions as less storage required [unquote]

Hi to User:BulldozerD11

I spotted in your "profile Bio" ..

That U are a "purveyor" of all things Ancient (especially of machinery)

Re:[quote] I have collected old Machines in the past, and also collect Scale Model versions as less storage required [unquote]


As I also am aware .. with U "living" (residing) in the UK...!

U may be interested in a wee model of mine..

One which I aquired by Inheritance (from another "purveyor & avid collector" of fine antique machinery - ie: the rustier the better)


Or in my Late Uncle's case -- 15 of the REAL THINGS (now since sold to "other" avid collectors .. whom "actually" intend to restore them)

Thus: I only have the "ODGI" Diecast Model- of the (orange) BRADFORD VAN

& where is it.?

Well how's this video of mine -- for that info: Bradford Jowett Magazines Odgi Toys of Yesterday & Matchbox Minature Cadbury's Vintage CAR EditionBradford Jowett Vintage Cars Cadbury Cars - Collectors Editi... Bradford Jowett Vintage Cars Cadbury Cars - Collectors Edition Minatures ODGI "Toys Of Yesterday" Model 812 Die Cast (Hand-Cast) Minature Bradford Van "Ovaltine" (For Health) Painted in ORANGE "Livery" Hand-Cast Produced in very limited numbers by ODGI 50 Chiswick Village, London W4 The Bradford (Jowett) Van was built between 1946 & 1953 This is an ODGI (Dinky Style) HAND-CAST miniature Model It is also one of the MOST sought after (rarest) ODGI models According to /// search: ODGI Diecast Plus also "shown" in this video - are ... pictures of: Rare Bradford Vintage Machinery Photo's & a Photo of a "rare" Vintage 3 wheeled Car Plus... much, much, more... Video "filmed" - today ... 18 Sept 2010 P.S... Finally -? (after 9 days of near "fruitless" internet searching) ... Finally.! I have found another site with SEVERAL of these ODGI (Hand-Cast) Dinky Style "diecast" models (with picyures) PLUS ... the last known ODGI Manufacturing dates ? Were between the 1980's & 2003 ODGI have since "ceased" production [quote from] ... Odgi Toys of Yesterday are hand-cast metal models designed to compliment Dinky Toys of the 1930s through 1950s ... [unquote]

( or go-to - & Search Results: odgi diecast )

Here is the "link" URL:

Uploaded to youtube by QUIX4U September 17, 2010 06:28 PM Public

300px|left|BRADFORD VAN (Odgi Diecast Model)


To: BulldozerD11

I can be contacted almost directly .. 24/7 365/yr .. via

QUIX4U 15:43, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


Interesting Info Quix4u - Models of Tractors and Plant are an area of the site that i have not added much to yet. Full size Jowett Bradford vans are not very common over here. there are a few in the Bradford Industrial Museum and the odd one or two appear at shows. 15 together would be a sizeable collection !!

PS I dont personally purvey ('Buy and Sell') stuff. I'm currently just taking photos at events & museums of items to add to the site along with gathering info on companies and the products they made and examples that survive rather than collecting physical objects.

-   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   19:21, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

How do you delete a post in your blog


How do you delete a post in your blog?

Ry007 23:16, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

no delete in "edit" for blogs

There is no delete in the drop down for the "edit" button for blogs.

Ry007 02:38, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

adding delete to edit button for an owner's blog and copying lists

I think it would be good to add the delete to the edit button for the owner of a blog

BTW, I started compiling that list in notepad using tabs because it was simple and easy. When I discovered the list getting big, I thought I would put it on the internet. When I copied the list from notepad, I discovered that wikia's paste function did not perserve the tabs. So I had to find a way to deal with tabs.

I found that I could copy the notepad list into an Excel spreadsheet, with minor fixes, and then have Excel create a formatted text file that used spaces, which allowed wikia's paste function to copy a list with straight columns.

If I want to add to the list, I will update the Excel spreadsheet and copy the list to wikia using the paste function because it is far easier. Besides the present format is much better for a large list because it is easier to peruse.

Ry007 14:16, August 19, 2011 (UTC)


Thankyou for "cleaning" up my rather obtuse MESS..

(or "messes" - as i'm sure there are many)

Anyways.. as it was yourself.. whom 'started" this wikia ..


I -- shall continue to be .. just a tiny grain of cand .. in front of Ur Bulldozer blade

(Ok -- maybe a Moeraki Boulder sized grain of sand .. but a grain none the less)

Fot you -- to "bulldoze around.. in or OFF your site.. any which way -- that you want..

Be that -- as a reference, a building block .. or just something to "fill" the drains with..

I don't care.. I gift it to you (under a COPYLEFT -- free to use -with or without attribution)


YOU -- being into "tractors, trains & all things mechanical..


May also need to "see' some really weird ones.. i hand built -- years ago .. and which have been re-cycled BACK -- into scrap iron once again (in 2003)?


I have a few video slideshows of themm .. on


I too -- give due riligence to THE TRUTH ..

And compliments thereon .. to attribute the "helpfullness" of others I meet --

Anywhere in the Internet or real life:

Such as over there .. on Facebook:




Unlike the automatic programs that DELETE NEW EDITORS.. (and THEN permanently BLOCK THEM -- & brand them as "someone_else" whom they are most definitely NOT -- simply because some human "programmer" at wikipedia .. didn't think to ensure that somewhere in the future .. there MAY BE possible overlapped ISP identifiers which IS NOT "a gaurantee" .. that someone --- half a world away -- AS A NEW EDITOR .. is ever going to "be" part of some OTHER dweebs socketted puppet type of system)..

YOU haven't thus"dishonourably insulted anyone.. especially me -- whom wikipedia insulted in 2010)



Thankyou for ammending & "cleaning_up" my mess (or messes - as I'm sure there are many MESSES that I have created -- by "not" thinking as others - more clued_up than I -- "do")



I (unlike wikipedia)

I give true credit .. where credit is due..

AND GOOD PRAISE.. to those whom deserve it..

Such as via my facebook "wall":

QUIX4U says:

Au plaisir de vous revoir (hoping to see you again) & Thus - the reply you would send:

Would be something like ?

Goodnight - Schlaf gesund und kugel rund! (sleep well and round as a ball)

Although google ((?)) does an interesting translation of !!! (sleep well & spherical)


QUIX4U 01:56, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

JCB Fastrac

) Thanks for the split-out of the JCB Compact tractors! That's what was needed!


Good find Scoty as I'd not heard of them badging the small tractors (but every body else is doing it to get a full line so if you canot beat them then join in appears to be the way for all makes).
Probably warrant a complete split to a new page with a cross links as the model i just looked at is under the JCB Groundcare division rather than agricultural. How to group stuff is a headache with the various divisions / product groups changing at a lot of these firms not just JCB. The John Deere model list is still an ongoing problem to make sense of.
dont forget the "<make> range" navbox on all these tractor model pages as adding them later is a pain - I tried with AWB on some pages and ended up duplicating them. I see you started and added some new ones the other week for some makes.
I'm still trying to work through the categories, But commons & Wikipedia differ in naming conventions which is causing issues, but moving them with AWD is not too bad later once they have been categorised. I'm 'fixing' some of my early 'mistakes' of using capital letters too often in titles.
Ultimately all the images will need categorising as well, but i'll do articles first, as suitable image cats need adding on below the article cats.
Note: a number of items like individual tractor models dont want to go in high level categories like Category:Tractors but under the manufacturer or brand sub-category(s).
-   BulldozerD11   talk    contribs   20:44, September 19, 2011 (UTC)